Shabbos for the goyim - how is it different than our Shabbos?

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Comment by Aryeh Shore on October 31, 2008 at 8:18am

Although it is the consensus that non-jews should not observe the shabbat, this is not the peshat in the Yerushalmi where a non-jew can pick and choose the mitzvot he wishes to observe. The biyur halacha follows the Yerushalmi and states that someone who is converting can accept one mitzvah at a time, including shabat and is chayav on one mitzveh at a time. Why this is universally ignored, I have not found anyone who is ready to give an answer.

Comment by רײזל-לאה אסתר בת אברם-יצחק הישרא on October 31, 2008 at 4:33am

Thank you. If you find the temperature and length of time hated at that temperature, I would be interested. I have processed, fermented, cultured or prepared a number of different styles of foods and am still curious as to the processing of wines. I guess I should at least visit a winery. I have old classmates who own a bio-dynamic vineyard, I suppose they would know, I should look up their contact info.

Comment by Rabbi Aryeh Moshen on October 30, 2008 at 9:42pm

Kedem has an interesting way of labeling their wines and grape juices. If the wine is mevushal according to the opinion of the Tzelemer Rebbe (z"l), then it is labeled mevushal. If the wine is only mevushal according to the opinion of Reb Moshe (z"l), then it is not labeled. Wine that is not mevushal even according to the opinion of Reb Moshe is labeled "not mevushal". Thus, if you hold by Reb Moshe (as all Yeshivish do) you can consider the unlabled bottles as mevushal.

Sorry that I don't remember their exact temperature requirements offhand.

Comment by רײזל-לאה אסתר בת אברם-יצחק הישרא on October 30, 2008 at 8:13pm

Thank you for all that info.
I just want to be clear, I think it would be labeled only as such: מבושל
What temperature and time is it מבושל for? Same as pasteurization?
I do buy only מבושל wine and kosher grape juice, but I don't drink it (I get adverse reactions to heated grapes). I juice grapes myself for me. I know it doesn't pertain, just wondering.
Another thing, are Christian and other wines truly not pasteurized? Some people who eat raw food and know nothing of kashrus told me no wines are heated, but I know different, obviously.

Comment by Rabbi Aryeh Moshen on October 30, 2008 at 3:14pm

If you have any non-Jews, please ascertain that all wine served is Mevushal.

Comment by Rabbi Aryeh Moshen on October 30, 2008 at 3:13pm

There is a big difference between someone who is studying for conversion and the regular righteous Noahide. When it comes to Sabbath observance, the Torah explicitly says, "The children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath for their generations as an eternal covenant. Between ME and the children of Israel it is a sign forever..."
(Shmos 31:16-17, my free translation). As such, a non-Jew is not invited to observe the Sabbath. Similarly, non-Jews are not invited to observe the festivals. While they may rest and take vacations, religious holidays are only in the domain of Jews.

Those who are converting will become Shomer Shabbos at some point, under the direction of their Beis Din or Local Orthodox Rabbi. Many require that they perform one Melachah each Shabbos however I am aware of others (such as Rav Nochum Eisenstein shlita) who do not.

Comment by רײזל-לאה אסתר בת אברם-יצחק הישרא on October 29, 2008 at 7:10am

Sounds like a good question. We've had non-Jewish friends over, of course. I don't let them touch the wine bottle, but yes, it can get complicated having goyim in the house.