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Permalink Reply by רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי on February 6, 2011 at 4:57pm

Maybe interpersonal relationships with other people are more difficult, or they're cautious of lashon ha'ra?

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Permalink Reply by Ron Balofsky on February 6, 2011 at 5:03pm

Wasn't what I was thinking  but thank you for your perspective, I appreciate it.

 

My perspective is that the heightened focus on the leMakom causes a certain level of people feeling "holier than though", which only increases animosity between each other. I just feel that if we could profess loving kindness , gmilut chassadim, and understanding between each other, regardless of sect, we could all benefit.

רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי said:

Maybe interpersonal relationships with other people are more difficult, or they're cautious of lashon ha'ra?

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Permalink Reply by רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי on February 7, 2011 at 5:48pm

It is a problem more these days than in the past I think.  More people give their attention to the place they are etc rather than interconnecting with the person in front of them.  I too, well, I know there would be more peace in the world if people showed care for the next person in their path, look in their eyes occasionally, trying to understand. I think it would tend to come more "naturally" if we raised our children like that from the get go.  Unfortunately people even disconnect from their own children in certain ways at very early ages even and trust big establishments to take our places at the wrong times.

Back to people being of different sects, it may be good to at least study what the other sect writes or reads first.  Are you meaning only various orthodox sects, or mean reformed and conservative as sects too?

Ron Balofsky said:

Wasn't what I was thinking  but thank you for your perspective, I appreciate it.

 

My perspective is that the heightened focus on the leMakom causes a certain level of people feeling "holier than though", which only increases animosity between each other. I just feel that if we could profess loving kindness , gmilut chassadim, and understanding between each other, regardless of sect, we could all benefit.

רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי said:

Maybe interpersonal relationships with other people are more difficult, or they're cautious of lashon ha'ra?

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Permalink Reply by Ron Balofsky on February 7, 2011 at 8:34pm

I actually only exclusively mean orthodox...unfortunately.

 

Conservative and Reform are very loving people. We have a lot to learn from them - this is not to say their acceptance of things against the Torah should be promoted within the Orthodox world, but their attitude of loving and accepting other people and respecting their views is much to be desired.

 

 

רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי said:

It is a problem more these days than in the past I think.  More people give their attention to the place they are etc rather than interconnecting with the person in front of them.  I too, well, I know there would be more peace in the world if people showed care for the next person in their path, look in their eyes occasionally, trying to understand. I think it would tend to come more "naturally" if we raised our children like that from the get go.  Unfortunately people even disconnect from their own children in certain ways at very early ages even and trust big establishments to take our places at the wrong times.

Back to people being of different sects, it may be good to at least study what the other sect writes or reads first.  Are you meaning only various orthodox sects, or mean reformed and conservative as sects too?

Ron Balofsky said:

Wasn't what I was thinking  but thank you for your perspective, I appreciate it.

 

My perspective is that the heightened focus on the leMakom causes a certain level of people feeling "holier than though", which only increases animosity between each other. I just feel that if we could profess loving kindness , gmilut chassadim, and understanding between each other, regardless of sect, we could all benefit.

רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי said:

Maybe interpersonal relationships with other people are more difficult, or they're cautious of lashon ha'ra?

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Permalink Reply by sharona on February 7, 2011 at 10:47pm

Sometimes it's easier to focus more on one thing than on another.  Some Jews focus on Makom, and some Jews focus on chaveiro. I think we should try to focus on both. They are both important. Especially, if we want to be a good example to others, we need to do this. Imagine a BT who is so ensuiastic about Judaism and then sees people acting rudely to others. It might turn them off, G-d fordid.  And it can have an impact on obseverant Jews as well, like if one Jew says to another, "I'm more frum, I don't...."  That is not a Torah thing to do.  Hashem doesn't want for us to show off and be haughty, but be humble and respectful.  We can disagree with others, but respectfully disagree. We might not like their actions or hashkafah, but we should still like the person as a fellow Jew and act nicely to them.

 

Lets try to be a good example of following both mitzvos bein adam l'Makom and bein chaveiro   bezerat Hashem    

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Permalink Reply by Ron Balofsky on February 7, 2011 at 11:59pm

Thank you for that lovely comment.

 

Take a look in Noach, the flood came when people were terrible to each other, they were all killed out. Later, during the tower of Bavel, they were not killed, but only the language was separated. They were not killed because they were unified (not for the right reason, but unified).

 

Hashem obviously cares more about Chavero, how we treat eachother. Also, Chavero sins are twice as bad. 1) you are hurting your fellow and 2) you are sinning against Hashem's commandments.

 

sharona said:

Sometimes it's easier to focus more on one thing than on another.  Some Jews focus on Makom, and some Jews focus on chaveiro. I think we should try to focus on both. They are both important. Especially, if we want to be a good example to others, we need to do this. Imagine a BT who is so ensuiastic about Judaism and then sees people acting rudely to others. It might turn them off, G-d fordid.  And it can have an impact on obseverant Jews as well, like if one Jew says to another, "I'm more frum, I don't...."  That is not a Torah thing to do.  Hashem doesn't want for us to show off and be haughty, but be humble and respectful.  We can disagree with others, but respectfully disagree. We might not like their actions or hashkafah, but we should still like the person as a fellow Jew and act nicely to them.

 

Lets try to be a good example of following both mitzvos bein adam l'Makom and bein chaveiro   bezerat Hashem    

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