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What does everyone think of fresh honey comb or certified milk as opposed to some of the modern dietary preparations?
I know bee parts like those venom therapy and others some use in homeopathic medicine tinctures would be contraindicated in kashrus.
What about old style clabbered milk like what was delivered to home doorsteps in glass bottles about fifty years ago in the United States? And the unhomogenized milk New Yorkers drank in the twenties, and never stopped when it went sour, and at least in my family and their neighborhoods never got sick from that unplayed with milk? Do you drink clabbered milk or homemade kefir? What do you think of things like cow shares? (or other shares)
Are milk and honey of any importance in an adult's diet, in your opinion, from what you've read in or deduced from our Scriptures and in applying that to your daily diet?
If you have history to teach me, like maybe who the first Jewish person was to pasteurize milk or honey, I always love to learn, especially about food and what's right.
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Permalink Reply by Ron Balofsky on -
Hi -
Just a thought.
There are several items in Halacha that were considered standardized and accepted ways of practice such as non-pasteurized milk or honey derivatives. Now that we have, for lack of a better term "More Kosher" ways of doing things we have accepted that as the standard and have done away with the ways of old. This can also be compared to Halacha vs Chumra and Chumra K'din items.
The item of Kashrut.
Medicinal therapies for essential medicine are not bound by the laws of Kashrut. Cosmetic medicines I imagine would be a problem but for illness it is not an issue.
Spoiled Milk?
Our 2010 bodies are not equipped to eat less than the freshest of foods, we simply have treated our bodies to be more elite in what we have for intake. For example, take a child and give them a 1920-s diet as your described above and they will most likely be fine.
Scripture:
The famous quote from the Torah is of not cooking a calf in its mother's milk. The Oral Torah expounds on this items and from there we learn the laws of Kashrut. Given that Milk is an item classified, it stands to reason that it is reasonable that it should be consumed. As well, at Sinai the Israelites after receiving the Torah did not eat meat until fully learning the laws of ritual slaughter
Diet:
Take a look at the Rambam's (Maimonides) diet recommendations. He was a great scholar and medical physician
http://www.jewishhealing.com/rambamrelevant.html
Hope this helps
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Permalink Reply by רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי on -
:) Thank you, Ron. Maybe you have a sweet year.
Ron Balofsky said:Hi -
Just a thought.
There are several items in Halacha that were considered standardized and accepted ways of practice such as non-pasteurized milk or honey derivatives. Now that we have, for lack of a better term "More Kosher" ways of doing things we have accepted that as the standard and have done away with the ways of old. This can also be compared to Halacha vs Chumra and Chumra K'din items.
The item of Kashrut.
Medicinal therapies for essential medicine are not bound by the laws of Kashrut. Cosmetic medicines I imagine would be a problem but for illness it is not an issue.
Spoiled Milk?
Our 2010 bodies are not equipped to eat less than the freshest of foods, we simply have treated our bodies to be more elite in what we have for intake. For example, take a child and give them a 1920-s diet as your described above and they will most likely be fine.
Scripture:
The famous quote from the Torah is of not cooking a calf in its mother's milk. The Oral Torah expounds on this items and from there we learn the laws of Kashrut. Given that Milk is an item classified, it stands to reason that it is reasonable that it should be consumed. As well, at Sinai the Israelites after receiving the Torah did not eat meat until fully learning the laws of ritual slaughter
Diet:
Take a look at the Rambam's (Maimonides) diet recommendations. He was a great scholar and medical physician
http://www.jewishhealing.com/rambamrelevant.html
Hope this helps
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Permalink Reply by רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי on
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My family was fortunate enough to get fresh raw milk from a ewe recently. It feels better to us, as far as digestion. It is expensive and not available all the time.
What kind of milk did you and I drink around the time we were given the written Torah? I'm thinking it was more likely more often ewe and nanny-goat rather than cow. We obviously had some oxen and such then, but it seems to me goats and sheep were more often spoken about in reference to most things. Does it say much about, for instance, milking each type of animal?
Does it specify anywhere, when referring to milk?
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Permalink Reply by רײזללאה אסתר בת אברםיצחק הישראלי on
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I looked over the link. Thank you, Ron. I know Maimonaides wrote a lot of good stuff, and very interesting. Some things don't really change.
I eat much of my food raw. I ate raw fruit and raw vegetables every day more or less growing up. I eat dairy and other raw foods as an adult. Raw foods, their temperatures are not hot, so what you may find at jewfaq.org is of particular interest to me.
"Utensils
Utensils (pots, pans, plates, flatware, etc., etc.) must also be kosher. A utensil picks up the kosher "status" (meat, dairy, pareve, or treif) of the food that is cooked in it or eaten off of it, and transmits that status back to the next food that is cooked in it or eaten off of it. Thus, if you cook chicken soup in a saucepan, the pan becomes meat. If you thereafter use the same saucepan to heat up some warm milk, the fleishik status of the pan is transmitted to the milk, and the milchik status of the milk is transmitted to the pan, making both the pan and the milk a forbidden mixture.
Kosher status can be transmitted from the food to the utensil or from the utensil to the food only in the presence of heat, (including hot spices) or prolonged contact, thus if you are eating cold food in a non-kosher establishment, the condition of the plates is not an issue. I knew an Orthodox rabbi who would eat ice cream at Friendly's, for example, because the ice cream was kosher and the utensils are irrelevant for such cold food. Likewise, you could use the same knife to slice cold cuts and cheese, as long as you clean it in between, but this is not really a recommended procedure, because it increases the likelihood of mistakes.
Stove tops and sinks routinely become non-kosher utensils, because they routinely come in contact with both meat and dairy in the presence of heat. It is necessary, therefore, to use dishpans when cleaning dishes (don't soak them directly in the sink) and to use separate spoon rests and trivets when putting things down on the stove top.
Dishwashers are a kashrut problem. If you are going to use a dishwasher for both meat and dairy in a kosher home, you either need to have separate dish racks or you need to run the dishwasher in between meat and dairy loads.
You should use separate towels and pot holders for meat and dairy. Routine laundering kashers such items, so you can simply launder them between using them for meat and dairy.
Certain kinds of utensils can be "kashered" if you make a mistake and use it with both meat and dairy. Consult a rabbi for guidance if this situation occurs."
I have prepared food for groups in an orthodox kosher kitchen, we had to pay particular attention to hot spices like onion and garlic, so as to not unkosher utensils.
Can we still find meat for broiling that's unsoaked and salted in many places? Anyone?
We can serve non-kosher to guests?
"Read the verses carefully, Avraham avinu doesn't cook the milk and meat together (that would be a violation of the precept). Rather he serves people he thinks are Bedouins (Gentile's, although in reality they are angels and don't eat at all, see Rashi) who he know enjoy eating butter with their meat. Obviously they are under no such dietary obligation. What we learn from this, our Sages note, is how we must go out of our way to take care of strangers and extend the very best hospitality. "
Oh, one other thing. The rabbi that ate ice cream at Friendly's, although that might go over these days, I have a question. If ice cream is made with cream, and it was not pasteurized, as it wasn't until maybe eighty years ago, could the rabbi still eat this ice cream off non-kosher dishes? I'm asking this; because raw fat, as in raw cream is very very cleansing. I'm thinking the cream, even so cold, might pick up something from the non-kosher dish.
Thanks! Have a good week! :)
Ron Balofsky said:Diet:
Take a look at the Rambam's (Maimonides) diet recommendations. He was a great scholar and medical physician
http://www.jewishhealing.com/rambamrelevant.html
Hope this helps
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